#bee telling iruka that he is naruto's state of mind at all times. his heart or whatever. a big win for adoptive big brothers everywhere

[cosmicrhetoric]

mad cause naruto got good while i wasn't looking (i.e. watching 600 episodes of one piece)

[captnjacksparrow]

im a sns shipper but there is one scene that has always bugged me. in chapter 699 i thought it was very weird for sasuke to say to himself "i finally get what you mean when you say if this is what it's like to have a brother" (referring to naruto) and i was confused as to why sasuke would think like that ? like wasn't he the one who always pushed the narrative that naruto and his relationship aren't like brothers ? i wanted to know your thoughts on this one. (sidenote : i love your blog haha)

sidenote : I love your blog haha

Woowwww, Thank you dear Anon.

I finally get what you mean when you say if this is what it's like to have a brother

Ahhh. I bet some SS or NH pulled these brothers shit again.

Short Answer is.... Brother, here, Sasuke means someone who don’t share a blood but still as close as a family member. Because ‘Friend’ in certain instances sounds like an outsider. It doesn’t mean Sasuke takes Naruto as his brother. It just means Sasuke takes Naruto as a family member with whom he can share pain with because they are emotionally connected with each other or something more like Naruto considers Sasuke as a part of himself and Sasuke considers Naruto as a part of himself.

It’s just like Killer Bee telling Iruka that, ‘You have been in his heart this whole time. You are the state of his mind’. 

Long answer is as follows....

The original wording of that particular piece of Monologue is

Naruto... At this time I recalled those words you said here once before.

How when you’re with me you wonder if this is what it’s like to have a brother. That feeling of yours... I think I finally get what you meant.

As I travel far and wide across the world, I often reflect back on those days.

We started out as lonely brats starved for love and fostering hate.

We chose different paths to walk... And battled each other. But now that time has passed.

It’s just like how I came to feel Father, Mother and my Brother Itachi’s pain and emotions, I’ll now start knowing your pain and feelings too.... Naruto.

Alright let’s establish some facts before getting into the details.

There are only two instances, where Naruto mentions Sasuke was like a brother to him. First time is when he fought with Sasuke in 1st VoTE battle. Second is when he met Itachi before his death. 

Naruto always said Sasuke was his Friend. Be it the lengthy Monologue from Naruto in 1st VoTE when Sasuke was ramming the Chidori into his chest, be it when drenched in Kyuubi’s cloak to which Sasuke asks shockingly ‘What the hell are you?’ and Naruto says ‘Your friend’, be it in the Orochimaru hideout, under the Bridge, before the Raikage, before Rikudou Sennin and in the final VoTE battle too.

Sasuke never claimed Naruto as his Brother. He claimed Naruto as his closest friend, One and Only Friend.

Let’s see why Naruto specifically used the term ‘Brother’ before Sasuke and Itachi.

WITH SASUKE IN 1st VoTE:

The conversation goes like this,

Sasuke questions Naruto, ‘Someone like you without family or siblings, What do you know about me? You had nothing in the first place, what the hell do you understand about me? We suffer because of out bonds. You don’t know how it feels to lose them.’

To which Naruto replies, ‘It’s true I don’t understand about real families and siblings. But when I am with Iruka Sensei, I wonder if it feels like being with a father..... When I'm with you, I wonder if it's like being with a brother’.

Here Sasuke is questioning Naruto about the pain of losing a family, which he never had.

If Naruto refers to himself as a friend in this instance, it means he is placing himself as an Outsider. Meaning, a person who is not within the boundaries of a Family. 

But Naruto considers Sasuke and Iruka as his own Family. Meaning, even though they are not connected with Naruto by blood, they were connected by heart. He has his own imaginary family in which these two people are always there. It's just that there are no specific roles for them. Regardless, Naruto feels he was emotionally connected with them.

Since Sasuke asked this question, Naruto considers Iruka as his Father because of the obvious age difference. When it comes to Sasuke's role, who was of the same age, he can consider 2 possibilities. One, a Brother. Two, a Cousin.

Naruto cannot say I consider you as a Cousin because it signifies a distant family member.

So Naruto assigns a closest family role of a Brother to Sasuke.

Now to paraphrase Naruto’s words,

‘It’s true, I don’t have parents or siblings to understand having a family. But I already found people like you and Iruka sensei who acknowledged my existence. And I consider both of you as my family. When I am with Iruka Sensei, probably that’s how it feels like to have a father. When I am with you, probably that’s how it feels like to have a brother. Which is why I won’t let Orochimaru take one of my family member such as you because it pains me a lot’

WITH ITACHI

Again when Itachi asks Naruto, 'Why are you so obsessed with my Brother?'.

Naruto replies, ‘That’s because, I think of him as a brother more than you ever would’.

Here Naruto strongly punctuates, 'Even though you are related to him by blood, you are a worst person for him. Whereas, me, who was not related to him by blood, I am a best person for him'. 

In this instance, Naruto is facing a family member of Sasuke. Before him, Naruto doesn't want to place himself as an Outsider. And hence the usage of the word 'Brother'.

Simply put, Naruto refers to himself as Sasuke's family who can understand his pain unlike Itachi who hurted him a lot.

In both the scenes, the usage of the word ‘Friend’ doesn’t seem appropriate because of the alienation factor. 

 TO PARAPHRASE THE FINAL MONOLOGUE + CHAPTER 698 ADDED

Naruto... At this time I recalled those words you said here once before.

How when you’re with me you wonder if this is what it’s like to have a brother. That feeling of yours... I think I finally get what you meant.

We were some lonely kids starved of love in this world full of hatred. Fortunately we found each other and formed a bond. Whenever I saw you, I get reminded of my family. When we were in Team 7, I started to see the shadow of my family and whenever I saw you suffer, I felt extreme pain too just like you who always felt hurt because of my decisions.

But somehow we got separated and went on a different path. During those days, after I left the village, I used to think a lot about those days we spent together. But I failed to understand how you would’ve felt losing a person all of a sudden who acknowledged you. Starting from now, I will understand your pain just like I understood my parents’ and Itachi’s pain. All these times you felt pain because I was part of yourself and I will feel your pain because you are part of myself too.

This interpretation sits well with the databook too. 

In short, Naruto uses the vague term ‘Brother’ to indicate that he is not an outsider who is incapable of understanding anything about losing a family, because Sasuke is a part of Naruto’s family and an extension of himself, so definitely Naruto can understand Sasuke’s pain. To which Sasuke says he understands what Naruto meant and promises to feel his pain.

[shikadainara]

an in-depth breakdown of b*ruto episode 178

sorry i’m late i was lost on the path of life

tl;dr yeah ok i can have my hopes and dreams about what specifically i would want but. BUT. honestly yeah the episode was more or less what i expected would actually be in it from the preview, so i can’t complain. i still sobbed!!! that’s all i really wanted!!

time to rewatch it! (warning: long post. LOL)

obviously this is nothing new but i still can’t get over how nice the exterior to the nara household is, good for them. i don’t think i noticed the solar panel before? good for them!

i’m entertained at how the episode does open with shikadai tying his hair as he walks, i just think it’s neat. i love how the camera frames it like seeing a nara with their hair down is something forbidden we’re not mean to see

temari has purple slippers i dedicate her commitment to her favorite color. (also i am Just Saying... purple........ the bisexual flag--)

yeahhhh ok so. i get the need for wanting to frame the narrative like this, but this really doesn’t make any sense. shikadai is 12, and is also a chuunin, like... he should know by now that his dad is always kinda a mess on this day of the year, and why that is. and even if he honestly really did just forget, the fact that he’s still asking his dad why he’s not at work while looking at the way his parents are dressed... did this not clue you in or what????

the fact that shikamaru’s up and ready (i really don’t think he gets much sleep on this day, every year...), and it’s shikadai who’s just getting up. i do think it’s cute that we do get to see a tiiiiiny bit of temari’s parenting that doesn’t involve being an out of character irrationally angry woman when she tells shikadai to not come crying to her when he’s late in getting ready, yeah that definitely sounds way more like her lol

temari says she told him about all of this the other day (shikadai blatantly forgot, he tries to pretend he didn’t but she doesn’t press him for it)... that does make me emotional thinking like. she is pretty painfully aware of how hard this is on shikamaru, and days in advance told shikadai about it, to try to make sure he understands what his father is going through........ she really does care about him so, so much.

i said this based off the preview, but... i would like to interpret that temari is purposefully doing the dishes(/rest of house chores) to give him space to grieve....... 

the fact that while explaining what today is, shikamaru has to get up, leave the room, and talk while not facing his family, as if he wouldn’t be able to say the words as easily while looking at them........ god. that. that hurts.

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tsunade being the one to give this speech kinda feels random? like yeah she was the one that was kage during the war but...? i do feel like it would have been more fitting to have naruto say the speech since the whole entire point of the war was to protect him (and bee) but ????? ok

no one in the uzumaki family talks during this episode which is fine by me LOL. i would assume the memorial is on the day the war ended (which would also make it naruto’s birthday/memorial of the kyuubi invasion) but if it is, it’s never stated. maybe it’s the day the war started, idk

the collection of people up front feels pretty random??? kakashi as the previous hokage, sure, guy i guess because of how important his contribution the war against madara was and also because he is kakashi’s husband, shizune kinda has to be there if tusnade is, but... iruka? like yeah he is vital to the narrative, but to konoha? he is the headmaster of the academy i think now so i guess...? but then? ibiki??? anko??? i say this as someone that REALLY loves anko, she was my favorite character as a kid and i still love her but,,, huh? SHE WAS KNOCKED OUT DURNG THE WHOLE WAR!!??!?

then you see everyone that was in naruto’s class + team guy + sai except hinata is in the crowd. which of course to the narrative, to us the readers, those are the main characters (if you ignore how more or less everyone was super shafted throughout all of part 2) but!!! team guy’s only real connection to the rest of them is that they took the chuunin exams together, and neji and hinata were are cousins. that’s about it. was it that specifically all of these characters made such a contribution to the war compared to every other single shinobi from konoha that lived ??????

shikamaru staring up to the sky did made my heart clench... no matter how different he is now than he was when he was a 12 year old genin...... i do feel like he’s never entirely ditched his true self of just wanting to stare at the clouds all day.... i’m not entirely sure what the intent was here, but i’m sure there’s supposed to be some symbolism here. the sky is actually nearly entirely clear (the way is framed, there’s only a tiny cloud in the corner,) and then he closes his eyes and hums. maybe it’s supposed to be about the closure he gets in this episode...

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ok and then here’s ao cool whatever. since i only skim through b*ruto for the characters that i care about i do not really careeeee since i won’t watch again until something interesting happens to said characters that i care about LOL

?? who voiced the receptionist they sound familiar but i can’t place it at all

katasuke is the bitch that made the scientific ninja tool for b*ruto so he could cheat in the exam right

what is ao doing here. is he supposed to be doing something evil. it sure looks that way

... who is the glasses orange scarf guy??? he kinda looks like a mix between udon and ebisu and aoba but i know he’s not any one of them lol

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TEMARI AND KARUI STANDING NEXT TO EACH OTHER... i don’t think in any media they’ve ever??? ACTUALLY TALKED TO EACH OTHER???? BUT THEY SHOULD BE CLOSE FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON....... I’LL TAKE THESE CRUMBS THOUGH THANK YOU

OKKKKK admittedly like. in terms of Pleasing Me, Personally, it’s a damned if you do, dammed if you don’t situation like.... they do kinda HAVE to acknowledge that neji died during the war so. i appreciate that hinata like........ cares. i guess. i’ll try to not post the whole rant about why neji’s death was (logistically how he died aside) narratively and thematically absolute bullshit, kishi (i believe) saying that neji died so he could play cupid for naruto and hinata like!!! fuck off with that shit!!! maybe if it wasn’t for the goddamn “naruto-kun’s big warm manly hand” line i would feel a little bit actual sad but no.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOSHINO AND CHOUZA HELLO!?!?!?!? COULD YOU REALLY NOT HAVE PUT THEM IN THE CROWD??

ino also has an unnamed mother that the anime made up that i believe was only in like a single episode (and was cameoed in RtN i think?) but she should still be like. Alive. so her too.

MITSUKI PLACING FLOWERS IS SO FUNNY TO ME LIKE YOU DO KNOW YOUR PARENT’S SUBORDINATE/DOUBLE CROSS TRAITOR WHATEVER DID CAUSE THE WAR RIGHT BFIOBU*EHW$

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aaand. here’s shikamaru and ino’s conversation. i’m not sure if i can put this into words, but... just... the way that they talk to each other, the weight of 15+ years of sadness about this, the way that they just!! fully know what the other is going through, the way that they’ve known each other for their whole lives and survived through everything together, the way i feel like they’ve avoided talking about this topic as much as possible over the years, hell even during this conversation the way they’re almost bickering to avoid having to directly confront their feelings, but it is unavoidable....... 

i also do wonder what their relationship with each other’s parents were while growing up: shikamaru does refer to inoichi as “inoichi-san” here, contrast to how their kids all call each other’s parents just “uncle” or “aunt”

siri play sad naruto flute.

ok since i did go back to rewatch the episode from shippuden right before watching this one for the first time i do wish a liiiittle less of the episode was about this flashback with the same reused footage like i get that they do have to put it in here but Still.

THE FACT THAT SHIKAMARU IS SMILING WHILE RECALLING WHAT HAPPENED, AND THAT THERE’S A LAUGH IN HIS VOICE........ I WANT TO CRY AGAIN

ino saying that it was so unfair how cool they looked in the end, and then giggles...... ino............. this must be so, so painful for her to recall, and yet.........

IT IS SO FUNNY HOW THEY SKIP OVER THE IMAGE OF SASUKE THERE AHAHAHAHA god i hated that so so much i can’t believe that’s manga canon. the line is perfectly fine and makes me cry just DO NOT RELATE IT TO SASUKE!!!! literally the only time they “”interact”” is when ino is introduced and ino just, for lack of a better word, glomps him???? THAT’S IT??? i feel like they might’ve changed it just because, well, you know the endgame pairings. but still. bye sasuke

damn you know what i do kinda wish they didn’t skip over the “get rid of that box before your mother finds it” part i AM curious as to what it was i mean it’s implied it’s something adult related so SP probably couldn’t show that on TV BUT!!!

ok ok all week i tried to not imagine what shikamaru and ino’s conversation would be since i wanted to go all “surprise me!!” BUT??? BUT. SHIKAMARU ASKING INO IF SHE THINKS THAT THEIR FATHERS HONESTLY, TRULY BELIEVED IN THEM?? HE’S BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT ON EVERY SINGLE DAY THIS YEAR THESE PAST 15+ YEARS, AND SURELY IT’S ALWAYS BEEN AT THE BACK OF HIS MIND ALL THIS TIME!?!?! of course. OF COURSE HE WOULD FEEL THIS WAY!!! HE’D HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING FOR SURE OR EVER FINDING OUT!!! like of course we as the readers know that shikaku and inoichi absolutely 200% felt that way but... from his perspective... you know what i don’t even think this idea ever crossed my mind HOLD ON THAT IS THE SOUND OF MY HEART SHATTERING--

and then he just... smiles. says that he won’t let that get him down, since it’s not like they’ll ever find out anyways. sure, it’s been 15+ years, he has had to have largely come to terms with everything by now, but...... still....

then he talks about the idea that the day will come and leave everything in the hands of their sons (now looking over at team 10′s turn to place flowers) just like their dads did... it is worded like a question, but showtaro morikubo’s absolute masterful performance does. it does portray a tone like he is absolutely 100% sure that it’ll happen, one day...

i’ve said this before but. i KNOW shikamaru has definitely spent so much time thinking about this. sure it hasn’t ever really been brought up on-screen (yet), but....... i want to see him talking about a direct contrast on what his grand plan through life he thought of by age 12, ending with him passing away by old age. obviously he did a complete 180 on they type of person he wanted as a wife LOL. it is kinda brought up at the start of shikamaru hiden while he visits the grave, says he hasn’t found anyone he’d give his life to protect... (well. now he has a son where if you see the recent chapters he is very, VERY protective of.) but i would like to see this change in his character be directly be brought up and examined

........ that being SAID. i sure hope neither of them actually like. die. i’m GOOD, thank you. they sure as hell can’t until they’re ready to pass things down to their sons, at least. until then, absolutely zero narrative reason to do so, but...... still. we don’t need to make everything an EXACT copy of what happened in naruto you can let them live kthx

they both say “what kind of half-baked response is that!” and then laugh just. I LOVE THEM SO SO MUCH TEAM 10 IS FOREVER

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there is some symbolism in how ao walks over from a really dark shadowy area into the light when he decides that he has to pay his respects...

i do like how he does reflect on how he really should have come here earlier, but better late than never i suppose

i was expecting a... more elaborate explanation for how he lived??? especially since he was standing RIGHT NEXT to shikaku and inoichi... he just. happened to survive for whatever reason while every single other person died on impact

that survivor’s guilt does hurt to see

i do like seeing how he chooses to do something with his life, aside from being a shinobi, and live it to the fullest for the sake of everyone that died in the explosion. that’s nice

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ino saying “i’m sure are fathers are happy!” AAAAAAAAAAA

IN HINDSIGHT....... I ABSOLUTELY SOULD’VE PREDICTED SOMEONE WOULD DROP A “YOU LOOK SO MUCH LIKE YOUR FATHER” AT SOME POINT IN THE EPISODE...... and. i did kinda chuckle, because like, no shit duh lmao. i’m sure shikamaru heard that all the time as a kid!!! and hell, i’m sure he still gets it from time to time over the years up to this day. BUT LIKE... SHIKAMARU’S FACE. HE LOOKS LIKE THAT, RIGHT NOW, IT’S ACTUALLY SOMETHING HE REALLY, REALLY NEEDED TO HEAR. LET ME CRY

hearing shikamaru say oyaji, and then the way his tone suddenly shifts to something very... quiet and somber? when he says “nara shikaku”..... something about that. man.... also it’s hard to see but there is a sweat drop on his face as he says all of this...

“sometimes, i end up wondering...” don’t lie to yourself. you think about this so, so much........

the flashback where ao says “listen to me calmly” when he says the bomb is coming this way sure reminds me of ino telling shikamaru to stay calm as she tells him that his son has a bomb around his neck

THE ADDED PART OF THE FLASHBACK WITH THEIR VERY LAST MOMENTS...... THE WAY THEY’RE SMILING AND JUST??? BELIEVE IN THEIR KIDS IN THE VERY END. just like how it’s described in shikamaru hiden where the narrative says that shikaku was a shinobi until his very last breaths-- actually, no. in the very end he was a father.......

“THEY BELIEVED IN YOU, WITHOUT A HINT OF DOUBT.”

AAA?A?AAAAAAAAA?A?A?A??A!??!!??!!

INO STARTS TEARING UP BUT I CALL ABSOLUTE BS THAT SHIKAMARU WOULDN’T ALSO JUST BURST ONTO TEARS ON THE SPOT, HE MAY BE 32 WHATEVER YEARS OLD NOW BUT... HE IS STILL SUCH A CRYBABY AT HEART, HIS ENTIRE CIRCLE OF LOVED ONES KNOW THIS.

you know who DID start crying though??? ME

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i do wonder, is this the same hillside that shikamaru went to after asuma’s death...? (only in the manga tho, the anime had him on a rooftop instead)

is that??? someone watching them in the back left?? when shikadai finds him? i cannot tell what that is

i am. trying to follow temari’s logic of telling shikadai to go find shikamaru and... not also going with him?? i mean i figured from the preview that, yeah it does look like it’s only the two of them, but... i can’t come up with a reason. not a super big deal but. obviously my heart yearns for that shikatema content that’s ok i can write my own fanfic i guess!!!!

also like...... i imagine it can’t be THAT hard to find him, i’m sure that he only has a small handful of Spots Good For Coping(™) when he just needs to be by himself, that i would Think his wife would know where they are. and said wife would tell shikadai. but idk

after all of this, shikamaru wants to just treat his son to go eat out whatever he wants...!! what a good father

....... now like. the logic of “temari is currently making dinner and that’s why she’s a) not there and b) told shikadai to go fetch is father” would make perfect sense. but... if they’re going out to get food then... no?? shikadai would interject to say so if that was the case..... that makes this all make no sense seriously what the hell is she doing

i do wish that like. shikadai like.... uh. actually learned about more shikaku?? this scene is more brief than i thought it would be idk i felt like it would be part of the middle of the episode and not at the end, oh well. he’ll find out in due time

THAT BEING SAID...  STILL. THE ENDING WHERE HE JUST CARES SO SO SO SO MUCH ABOUT SHIKADAI!!!! WONDERING IF HE’S WATCHING HIS BACK!!! I LOVE THEM I LOVE THEMMMMM

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not quite sure whatever ao is doing at the end of the episode???? IS IT EVIL??? i mean like that it’s him catching a leaf seems like he’s going against konoha but i mean konoha fucking sucks so. that is not evil i guess LOL

whatever not like i’ll care to actually find out!!!!! anyways let me know when the nara family (or anyone adjacent to them) does anything so i can care LOL

in conclusion. good shit.